WhyNot?

Starting a new country

Category: Politics
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Where can you go in this modern day and age to start a new country, or how do you do this? All the land is occupied, even all of Antarctica has "claims" on it. You can't secede from anything, even in a "free" country, if you try to create an artificial island in international waters, the nearest navy comes out to shut you down.

Do you just have assemble investors and buy up land in existing countries and negotiate treaties for new borders or what?

vigneron, May 06 2004

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Although The USA did fairly well liquidating the local Indian population and the Israelis are trying something of the same tactic on the Palestinians, there seems to be a growing prejudice against the procedure. Mars sems a likely candidate although there are transportation difficulties and something of a rework is required on the local ecology.Frankly, the old countries are more attractive to me.

sand, May 06 2004

One option is to find a group of like minded individuals and "colonize" an existing state within some sort of federation. This is being done in the USA with the Free State Project, and there is also talk about a similar project in Europe.

dumllama, Jun 25 2005

Check out Costa Rico.

groty, Jun 26 2005

Sand is greatly mistaken. Israel continues to give up more land in order to gain peace with the Palestinians so that the Palestinians will stop the suicide bombings in Israel. Just take a look at the Israeli borders over the last 50 years and see how they have been shrinking. They haven't been taking land, they have been giving it away. It's bizzare to see people who say that the opposite is happening.

Israel is already a nation with fully developed cities. To say that Israel is in the process of trying to take away land from a previous country is very much a distortion. One could try to argue this 3 generations ago and they would still be quite inaccurate because that is not how it happened. It was given to them. (Albeit not by Palestinians or the Muslim world but by the western world after WWII.)

Before Israel become a nation again in 1948, the land was a waste and had nothing on it. Now they have modern cities with modern skyscrapers. The Palestinians had all this time on their side of the border and they still have nothing. Israel has made better use of the land that they have over there. They deserve to keep it.

DavidPesta, Aug 21 2005

What about "planting" a charismatic politician in a failing country? Revolution can equal hope at the right place and time.

anthronify, Jun 08 2006

You can create new countries in the modern world. There is at the moment a brand new one less than 1 month old - Montenegro.
You just need part of an old country where the majority of the citizens want independence, and a central government democratic or civilised enough not to fight to prevent it.

ChrisF, Jun 09 2006

Find a poor country, learn the customs, and buy off the politicians. Power is control. If you want to control a country, just do it. Dealing with the complicated issues is a life long endeavor, look at Libya. Not my idea of fun.

I know would personally assist in the purchasing of power over a country. (if I had money that is).The way to go about it is simplified in the previous post.

We could even start a online co-op of like minded individuals, take over a country and add a little truth, justice, efficiency and generally help the planet.

Creo, Jan 12 2007

Go to the nearest democracy that allows you to live there. Convince 51% of the voters that you have some good ideas. Get things done, make people happy, then change the name & flag to whatever you want.

Good luck with that.

wizard61, Mar 30 2007

People who are thinking of a new country sometimes have a problem with the democratic, majority rule system in the old country. If it isn't giving themwhat they want, they try to start a new "country." One example would be The Confederate States of America (1861-1865).

Belmont, Nov 05 2007

Isn't the real problem here, that the overbearing federal state has undermined the 50 states that would be, without that federal, all able to experiment with different forms of governance. Then the dangerous monoculture of the brainwashed nationstate might be replaced by the healthy diversity of self rule. If there were 50 states with diverse laws on all subjects from abortion to drugs, welfare states to libertarian values states - a mobile population would find its political level.

sweetheart, Nov 12 2007