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Remove In God We Trust from $

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American citizens should be offended that our government makes theological statements on our behalf. By placing the phrase "in God we trust" on US currency, Congress has overstepped their bounds. Furthermore, it is insincere for any person who does not "trust in God" (atheists, pantheists, polytheists, etc.) to pass a note stating that he does trust in god.

The phrase should be removed from our currency. Unfortunately, this issue is not urgent enough to affect the way that we vote, so we cannot rely on electoral politics to remove this insult against our conscious. Instead, we should directly remove the phrase from our currency.

Anyone can simply draw a line through the phrase on paper money. The next time you are waiting for your computer to boot, grab a pen and your wallet and cross out the phrase on all bills.

More dedicated activists can also remove the phrase from coins

This modification of the money does not seem to be in violation of the currency law of the US, as described in Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 17 , as these modifications are neither fraudulant nor do they render the currency unfit for use.

For some history regarding the use of the phrase, see the Wikipedia article on In God We Trust.

dumllama, Aug 03 2005

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Considering the current religious inclinations of the present crop of politicians who respond to their constituents, this modification is unlikely to attain official status. As someone who has found much of the activity of religious organizations throughout history as reprehensible, I concurr with the emotion indicated but I am also something of a realist who has better things to do with his time than deface coinage and paper money, inspite of an occasional inclination to draw a mustache on George Washington or render Benjamin Franklin crosseyed.

sand, Aug 04 2005

This issue reared its ugly head a few years back, when a man tried to have a similar phrase removed from the Pledge of Allegiance because his daughter was made to recite the pledge in a public school. The end result? The senate voted 99-0 on a resolution supporting the words "under God" in the pledge. How's that for dismal? Apparently government-funded schools are exempt from the seperation of church and state. It's safe to assume you'd get the same result trying to remove "In God We Trust" from money.

CDugan, Aug 28 2005

Our country was founded on basic christian fundamentals, but the currency does not even advocate christianity. This is a democracy (really it is a republic, which is a form of democracy) and the majority rules. I have no doubt that the majority of this country believe in God in some form. Personally I believe that nature itself gives evidence of a Creator. The laws of thermodynamics state that(First Law)no matter/energy is created or destroyed. So... Where did the original matter/energy come from? Nothing at all should exist. (Second Law) Everything in the universe seeks a state of reduced organization and/or energy. This is the law of entropy, and in my opinion the greatest hurdle for evolution to overcome. The fact that there are laws at all suggest that there is a Law Giver. Besides, How come these non-God believers cant learn to be more tolerant. Thats what they always preach isnt it??

plane340, Oct 21 2005

Americans traditionally distinguish between issues that may be decided by the group, and issues that are the jurisdiction of individuals. Religion has always been treated as the realm of the individual, except when politicians think that they can win power by pretending to be pious.

Atheism has not necessary connection with tolerance. However, for this issue, tolerance is on the side of the atheists. The government is a shared institution, and for it to be inclusive (and tolerant) it should stay neutral on these personal issues. Writing "in God we trust" on the currency is just as intolerant as writing "God is a lie" on the currency.

Regarding physics: Matter/energy may have always existed. It didn't need to "come from" anywhere, any more than the proposed creator needed to "come from" somewhere. Biological evolution is compatible with the second law of thermodynamics. Every bit of organization in life is paid for by an even greater decrease in organization at some other level (chemical or atomic)--thereby staying within the bounds of the second law of thermodynamics. If you want to understand this, study biochemistry and physical chemistry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochemistry <p>

dumllama, Oct 22 2005

On this issue I have a feeling that you and I are going to have to agree to disagree.

plane340, Oct 30 2005

The Supreme Court ruled on this type of issue awhile ago, stating that it's 'of little importance,' or the Latin terminology for it. Like it or not, we live in a nation with a Christian heritage, and the phrase has become largely a national motto. Learn to live with it.

RayfordSteele, Dec 06 2005

Why not " In the Pope we hope " for Caholics.LOL.. It`s just a thing. Have a Ham sandwich & chill out . Lt1

lt1, Jan 05 2006

Or how about showing a little respect for a country that doesn't chop your head off for mentioning such an idea? Whether you believe in God or not, you are very "blessed" to live in this country in this epoch of humanity where we have progressed beyond such barbaric tendencies and allow you to have these freedoms.

If you don't like the phrase on the coin, petition to have it removed in the next printing. Don't disrespect society and the social process by taking the task upon yourself to violate the consensus of the moment.

DavidPesta, Jan 18 2006

plane340 is right. I have this happen io me at school all the time. Whether or not YOU like it, it's part of are herritage. Not to metion most of rebublic laws are alive today because of christian monks during the dark ages.

jkrunsalot, Jan 19 2006

The idea that this country was based on Christian fundamentals is pure bs. If our leadership had consisted of Christians in 1775, the Revolutionary War would not have happened. They would have read their scripture and obeyed it's teachings - thou shalt not kill, the love of money, a house divided, turn the other cheek, etc.

There is nothing about democracy, free elections,etc, in the Bible. It speaks only of kings and their divine right to rule over the rest of us. "Obey your leaders, they were chosen by God."

This is the land of Mammon, not JC.

Belmont, Oct 28 2007

thou shall not use the lord's name in vain

those who usually defend having "god" on u.s. currency are christians - but i believe that these christians should be against having "god" on our currency -- vanity in today's world is usually expressed through money - and speaking of god money and vanity here is a link to a vain "christian" preying on people during tax season - - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcyX2CCoLVk

whyorwhynot, May 05 2008

"In God We Trust" wasn't originally on any U.S. money. It appeared in 1957. The "Red Scare" and some other factors had many people acting unreasonably, thus altering the U.S. currency. Do your history homework before you get mad, OK?

The phrase, "In God We Trust" is unconstitutional. Putting this phrase on U.S. currency was illegal. The phrase's de facto message is that the USA is a Christian nation. Nothing could be further from the truth, no matter what kids may say who weren't born before Reagan and Bush and have never known true Democracy. I'm pretty sure you don't want to be forced to belong to an official state church run by the government, in order to be a citizen of the USA. Well, there are people in the White House right now who would do just that if they could get away with it.

Things like this irritate me every time I see them. The answer is not for me to leave the USA, but for us to straighten this country out. Many people seem to be unaware that atheists are OK, too. Also, atheists don't hate freedom, they don't hate America, as I've heard many unfortunately misguided people say.

The hatred Americans have for anyone who basically doesn't go to their church is something we had better learn to get over. It's not true that anyone who is not for you is against you. Atheists, Muslims, etc. are not merciless baby-killers. The worst crimes in history were perpetrated by good 'ol Christians.

Time to join the rest of the world, America. Please remove these Bronze-Age statements from our currency.

BigJim, Sep 14 2008

"Thou shalt not kill" is better interpreted as "Thou shalt not do murder." If you've ever read an original KJ version bible, there's a letter at the front written by the translators. Basically says that "they did there best", so you may need to take a look at the hebrew.

blah, Oct 04 2008

I stumbled on to this website while I was looking for ways to purchase Honest Tea online and I totally agree with this idea. I have been an atheist since I can remember and I have always been perplexed as to how phrases like this one can be included in government-issued money. I was recently reminded of this when I heard a famous comic who currently has a movie out in theaters right now say that atheists are just as ridiculous as religious fanatics for claiming to know that there is no afterlife. I would like him - and all others who are ignorant on atheism - to know that atheism - unlike all other belief systems I know of - is not motivated by any external force but by the self. I do not claim to know any more than the next person about the mysteries of our world and lives. I do not believe in a god simply because I believe in myself and in mankind. After growing up with a mother who is a first generation Christian (my grandfather converted from Sikhism) and a father who is from a strict Hindu Brahmin family, and going to Catholic school for most of my life, I realized that god is simply an expression of our highest ideals and faith. I am an atheist because I place those ideals and faith in myself and in the people with whom I share this planet. I hope that people who have been misinformed about people like myself will choose to educate themselves on why atheism exists and what it is. Perhaps in doing so, atheism and atheists will no longer be vilified and discriminated against by our government and fellow human beings.

Shevil, Oct 10 2008

Your insane.If anything, you should feel so lucky to have a god, If you do.

Trust can be broken, Thus its not saying it is absolute, though I bet you'd hope god would come around and save your ass one day.

I do see your point, But it doesnt matter imo.

formula1, Oct 14 2008

I do personally believe in God as Christians describe him, but it is true that we have a non-religious society and I approve of removing God from the currency. I think it's a clever ruse by the Federal Reserve to make us trust the money more.

The best argument for removing 'God' from the currency is the 'render unto Caesar' argument from the Gospel,

"Then they asked him whether or not it is right for Jews to pay the taxes demanded by Caesar. Jesus first called them hypocrites, and then asked one of them to produce a Roman coin that would be suitable for paying Caesar's tax. One of them showed him a Roman coin, and he asked them whose name and inscription were on it. They answered, "Caesar’s," and he responded “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and give to God what is God’s.”

Even though I don't believe money is evil--it's a representation of work, which I believe is always good--(it's the love of money that's described as evil), I don't believe God and money should be associated. I do trust God, but I don't trust the Federal Reserve's money very much, as they print more and more.

Apparently, the caesar coin described Augustus as 'divine,'

hrench, Oct 22 2008

This is another example of how the whiny ignorant few try and screw things up for the many. There are very few that choose to not believe in a higher power. As much as I would be completely for United States declaring itself a 'Christian Nation' I feel much stronger toward religious freedom. Until the majority of our citizens choose to not believe in a higher power... which may not be too far away. Leave 'IN GOD WE TRUST' alone! I would shudder to be apart of the generation that turns its back on God.

Acrious, Oct 22 2008

Do you know about this site? www.wheres-god.comThe site promotes the removal of "God" from all your paper currency. You remove "God" from your bills (and if you like, replace the word with something else such as "Reason," "Science," or "Truth," i.e., "In Reason We Trust." Then you enter the information about the bill (serial number, series, etc.) and you can track where your bills go and what other people are saying about receiving them.

"Rational thought begins with constant incredulity."

GodSlayer

godslayer, May 01 2009

some simply research into what year the phrase was added to our money might help change some minds out there. hint; it was around the same time the phrase "under God" was added to the pledge of allegiance. If you are of a certain age you will remember that this phrase was not there when you were in school. These are not precious historical phrases that the founding fathers came up with - they were not added until the 1950s as a political effort in the face of the fear of communism.

mattymoo, Jun 03 2009

its not right to have (In God We Trust) on the dollars and coins over 200 years. Because paper money was made by lucifer this is his domane and now there is alot of people that follow him thats y this is going on. God made gold, silver, copper, and all kinds of stones and all was worth high value tell we hit high population in the world. the last days are near thank goodness then everyone will know the truth

Jubster, Sep 25 2009

Folks this 'discussion' really isn't anything new, look at how far we've come since we get rid of prayer and Bibles in our schools? Most of us have already told the God who made us all that we really don't need or want Him or His Son Jesus Christ, and we're doing a really bang up job 'on our own' in so many different ways. We shoot and kill each other (and have been doing it since time began), maim, rape, disobey, blaspheme, etc. whenever the mood strikes us. So, why should we get upset when those who don't believe in God want to take 'their' madness even further? America and other nations as well, are lining up to not only put God/Jesus out of their schools, homes, and so on but their very lives too. We've become so "self-conscience" (or even godly) that it's now to the point we've deluded 'our-selves' into "almost" believing we're better than 'He' is and could care less if we don't have Him. A special word of "thanks" to the atheists, and others who feel this way, "you've" proven the Bible is "right and true" on so many different levels it's quite scary. 'You' say that 'you' don't believe in God, well 'your actions' speak volumes, and selfishness aside 'that conscience' of yours tells me more than you might ever say with words. May the God who tried to save us all, have mercy and pity on us foolish, empty-headed humans, who will live to regret what we've done on this earth.

jana, Nov 21 2009

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