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Electromagnetic engine

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ok, my idea is replacing the head of a car with a head that has an electromagnet above each cylinder. also the piston heads will have to changed to magnetic heads, a titanium sleeve will have to be place in the cylinder along the walls aswell. A new type of distributer will also have to be built.

now with all of this this is how it will work. each electromagnet will have 2 blank wires coming off it going to the new power distributer. the distributer will have a speciel layout as to alternate the positive and negative between the blank wires to alternate the poles of the electromagnets making the pistons move up and down in the same as they usually would. i am yet to figure out how to measure the acceleration of the power, i have an idea of how to do it but ur gonna have to wait.

Car_Freak, Mar 09 2007

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Although some mechanical power probably could be obtained from this complicated reciprocating electric motor the inverse square law of attraction between magnetic materials probably would limit much effect. A normal rotating electric motor would, on all probability, be more efficient in converting electromagnetic energy to kinetic energy. But I could be wrong.

sand, Mar 09 2007

Had this idea myself some 20-odd years ago. The standard piston-run design of an internal combustion engine is probably not the most efficient means for utilizing the Mag-Engine concept. Last time I was drawing on it, I looked at a wankle shaft for better translation of power to torque. Too many moving parts in a piston engine. Each socket, joint, or gear robs power and converts it to heat. The Stanley Steamer only had 35 moving parts in the engine. Need to minimize the translation between the drivetrain and the wheels. Something I don't have the know-how to accomplish for a standard sedan or coup.

RiverRat, Mar 09 2007

As said, a rotating electric motor is so far the best way to go.

classicsat, Mar 09 2007

How to measure the acceleration of the power: 0 X 0 = 0

It is unclear from your description where the power source is.

Most combustion engines work because: A lot more “Work” goes in---than comes out. A lot of Kinetic Energy (Combusted Gases) is exchanged for: Exhaust Heat, Mechanical Friction, Rotational Inertia ---which perpetuates the “Power-W” of the motor, and what we have left is what pulls the car along. Magnets couldn’t even come close to the payoff of combusted gases and the “Power-W” design of a combustion engine.

The weight of the windings alone would prohibit such a design, in any form. The EMF’s coming off the engine, unless shielded, would limit quit a few things, and shielding would be weight and cost prohibitive. We still haven’t taken into account the power source. One would assume from your description that you are relying on the attraction/repulsion of alternating polarity. To that, I’ll just say, “Find a good book on electric motors and magnets, and start reading.” Magnets are fascinating and semiconductors are even more so, but the idea isn’t plausible.

A little side note: I believe Tesla designed, or was working on a design, of a ‘Low-Friction Motor’ using alternating current and the adhering properties of water vapor. It had something to do with metal plates placed very close to each other and the steam rotating them, or something like that. Too much time has past, since reading it, for me to sort out the facts in my muddled noodle.

“Keep dreaming, but more importantly--- Keep learning, so you can make your dreams come true.” Bubba Buda, 2007; ), D-

darchorse, Mar 09 2007

Tesla created a vaneless turbine. Surface friction between the medium used between the driven and driving plates transferred the power. Vaneless pumps are used to pump fluids containing abrasive materials like mud and slurry. The automotive speedometer works on a similar idea. Tesla envisioned using geothermal heat sources to drive turbines that would produce electricity without pollution and at low cost. Oil companies allegedly hold leases on the best geothermal sites in this country.

jasherm, Mar 11 2007

Maybe magnets on a wheel, to be (first) pulled to a stationary point, and then repelled away as it passes the other side... but how can you get more juice out than you put in? Are we using electricity to create electricity? I probably misunderstood something fundamental (sorry).

wizard61, Mar 30 2007

The force from a magnet diminishes exponentially in variation to the distance from it. This concept has already been implemented in the form of a stepper motor. This is how the hard drive on your computer works.

Excellent basic concept, but it has already been developed.Keep coming up with ideas, your creative mind will eventually find a relationship that is original, practical, and useful.

Good job!

I have had an idea along the same lines, but the magnet on the piston always had the same polarity and the piston rod went all the way through the head. I also had magnets at the top and bottom of the cylinder. One would attract and the other would repel, then when the piston was at TDC, (Top Dead Center) the polarities of the top and bottom cylinder magnets would change, while the piston magnet remained the same.

saberblades@yahoo.com, Jan 15 2008

Hey car freak. I applied for a patent on this invention. In Mexico only so far. Ive really just established my priority date. The comments so far are wrong. Buddy tells of the coils needing to be enormous and has to be sheilded to make it cost and weight prohibited. WRONG WRONG WRONG. Ive built several and they work like a dream! Its the perfect solution to the oil crisis. There are a few "tricks" involved but its not rocket science. Without piston rings(there's no need for compression) the force requirements are drastically reduced as is friction. I boost the current through ignition coils.Up to 20,000 volts. 250 wraps is the prime number of winds. I made the strength of the generator rods specifially so they would move the piston 16m/s at 3000 rpms. I was able to use the exsisting ecu unit for "spark" advance as well as the same spark plug wires too! It is very non invasive. As a test, my crazy freind welded a solid iron dumbell (80lbs) to an I beam of his fabrication shop. We wrapped as much wire as possible around the stem. We ran it from a 12 volt battery and an ignition coil from a '76 cordoba. It pulled a car (The cordoba) from 3 ft away right up to it. Hard and fast! It could have pulled a train. Its not necessary to use that much power but it was cool to watch. These motors will be in vehicles by 2010! Order one if you like.

axman, Jun 05 2008

i firmly agree with this idea of your i have had plans in my mind for the same idea only i view it more different if you want to talk about it email me at babskie1521@hotmail.com

babskie1521, Jun 12 2008