Perpetual motion?

They sell these over by the fountain of youth.

Forget the batteries. Just connect an electric motor shaft to a generator.

Then connect the electrical output of the generator to the input of the electric motor.

Spin the shaft, and it will keep running forever.

Or, so it says in my copy of "Perpetual Motion -- What THEY Don't want you to know".

[Seriously, it does not work. Never has. Never will. Some problem having to do with "conservation of energy".]

It's pretty much impossible. But if you figure out how to do this, can I be your friend?

high leuico. your right: you obviously arn't an electrician or electrical engineer, but I'm not about to rip into you like some of the guys above. I'll explain why this idea doesn't' work: if you get rid of the battery and inverter and other loads etc. and just had the basics of your idea together==> a motor which powers a generator which powers the motor, due to the laws of thermodynamics, would not work. why? the motor is not completely efficient in converting electrical energy into mechanical energy and the generator is not completely efficient in converting mechanical energy into electrical energy, i.e. all that the system does is looses energy until it soon stops. make sense?

Check this video out on a self powered generator. You might be interested in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_M

Nice concept. I'm trying to figure it out. And I will. It's not impossible.

Engineers are not correct. The law of conservation of energy does not apply to electrical systems, since the energy gain comes from the environment. No violation is necessary to have perpetual motion.

If you spin the generator very fast, and you use a homemade generator that has very large coils, then at a certain speed, the generator will invert Lenz's law and FREE acceleration will occur. This appears to violate energy principles, but it doesn't. You can then produce more power than you are putting in. This will only happen if you can spin the generator faster enough. You must use N-S-N-S-N-S magnet configuration on the rotor, the magnets must be very close together, and the coil must be an open faced coil, not a magnetically shielded coil.

I've never done this myself. But...Good luck!

Your ingredients are pretty much right, your description of how this will work is lacking input. I'm not having a go at you, but your idea is not a new one with engineers. Many people have had a try at this but no self powered generator, that I've heard of, is on the current market, so no-one has officially cracked this yet. I've had a go and currently hold a patent that has yet to be finalized, so I can't say much about it yet.It is good however to see so many people trying to do something about this, after all the destruction of our environment is treason against both man and God, so keep up the good work.

this is what you do swilli is an idiot because thermodynamic laws state that heat makes power and that is true for gas powered cars but you take wind turbines they dont make power off of heat but what you can do that alot of people over look is go on you tube and look up some videos or you can wait for that new battery there coming out with.

Well what if you had a motor to turn two, or three generators, to power the motor thus again? Every forum I been to so far, always talks about one self running generator, but I am sure if one strung up a tree of slightly smaller ones, or even it could be the battery s them selfs. Generators charge one battery, while the other is being used to power a motor, and since this is the computer age, a computer could switch between battery s to another one that has more power. Laptops alert you when their power is low, for them with laptops with an extra battery ready understand this. I hear the lithium ion car by Tesla motors can pick up some speed, and lithium ion battery s like in a laptop can charge while the laptop is plugged in, and sometimes by an external battery as well. Just think, a long time ago, U boats had the long charge up time recharging on a gas motor, now think recharge on an electric one, trading off battery s that power the motor. Doesn't have to be totally free energy, but so cheap on the fuel it be worth it. Long as it last long enough to get me where I am trying to go, I go out pull a string to restart it again. Get it?

Humm, whats about almost perpetual, pedal power a generator, to power a motor, bionic bike? Or car?

I'm sorry if using the word "impossible" offended anyone in this conversation. That really wasn't my intent. I'm just saying that the laws of physics as we know them do not allow for perpetual motion to exist. You can harness energy in numerous ways (and yes some are extremely efficient) but finding a way to manipulate energy to be used and that could sustain itself would be...shall we say...a pretty big deal. So Waupun23, when you prove your ability to do this, I'll gladly accept and share with you the title of "idiot". I'll wear the title for me because of my short sighted understanding of physics and you for your already proven abuse of the English language.

Has anyone discussed the option of powering the generator with a solar panel?

I didnt know there was a Thread going around on something i've just thought of myself. the same process but with different vision and i guess ways of doing it myself... but then like Leuico, i'm not an electric engineer... but i would love to solve this issue to change the world of global warming ;D. I think it's a great idea. I've also thought that if this ever work, a lot of electric company will be pissed off. but for those who wants this to happen, they only want to help stop global warming. thus far people created Electric car, fuel cell car, Air compressed engine Car, Energy Boom... i hope for one day self power car, self power generator, where there is no need of other resources to create energy except the motor itself. For those who are trying... keep on trying dont give up ^^. there are always someone out there who's trying their best to help. And I myself will try.

It is not perpetual motion and Ihave been working on an answer to the problem back in the 90's Ihad a machine shop and a ten horse three phase converter i back wired it to run on single phase and produce two phases back not hard to do you just have to stat it on three phase first.It is called a rotary phase and will maintain a constant power curve as long as you dont go over your amp rating [ by the way it is ilegal to draw from a utility to do this.] anyway I have built a generator/motor that dose NOT follow any laws of thermodynamics. All righty then testing under load not a bench test which tells that you will only reach an average of less than Q when in operation,under load with my proto type I average 2.7 kw. It HAS BEEN RUNNING FOR THREE MONTHS NOW!!!! UNDER A LOAD!!!

Hi guys,I'm a newcomer at, Why ? Not.A solar Tower is being used in Spain and one being built in Australia, or is this just a hoax?.If not, shouldn't this solve all of our energy problem?.Also our environmental problems.

http://www.google.com/search?q=EnviroMission&hl=en&tbs=vid:1

All things are possible with patience and tenacity, Dan

i seriously believe that this is possible. @swilli, the laws you brag about was made base on what was known at that instance and the reason why it is still valid is bcos all other inventions have taken into consideration of that law. and i know that there are alot of things not known presently to man.i will like you to have an opened mind.@others, keep thinking on this , u might crack it.

guys, what do you think of this?! http://www.steorn.com

dubzest, the Orbo demo doesn't look at all convincing to me and the wiki article on Steorn makes it look even worse. Unless they can get a respectable third party to verify it, I would conclude that it's a fraud.